Early Show Transcript
February 22, 2004
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CHRISTOPHER: Hi everyone! Thanks for all of the support (and the venom!). It was great to be one of the “stars” of the first act, and whether you loved me or hated me... I loved reading what you had to say.

On behalf of the castaways, thanks for taking the trip to Okinawa each week. We appreciate it!




QUESTION: Chris, do you think Michelle ruined your game?

CHRISTOPHER: Whoa. You guys aren’t going to go easy on me, are you?

Do I think Michelle ruined my game? No, no and no!

Michelle was the person who MADE my game – she was my partner in crime, my confidante and most importantly... my friend. Michelle and I were of one mind, even when separated by the twists of the game. I had her back and she had mine. At no time did I, or will I, question her loyalty to me.

My pledge to her was permanent, and there was no way I was going to let her be executed. I know that she would have done the same for me – c’mon... she stood by my side during Dani-gate and fought tooth and nail to save my skin, when it would have been very easy to turn on me.

And, in the end, I am thankful that I had the chance to see her one last time before my dismissal from the game. It was truly emotional, and I was euphoric. I love you Mich - Naughty Hotties forever!




QUESTION: Which one of the Satos do you feel is most responsible for your dismissal? Amy, Hogan or Lance?

CHRISTOPHER: Very tough question. On some level, all three, I suppose:

Amy: Contrary to the editing of the episode (and I’m not complaining, but like on TV some things get shown out of order or dropped), Joni and I had no plans of turning on Amy. When I found out Michelle was in danger, Joni & I initially decided to target Lance (who few seemed to like or want to be around). Joni and I firmly believed in our Angels Alliance, BUT we hoped to integrate Amy & Hogan into that group upon the merge. When we found out that Amy was double dealing... that is when the vote shifted to her. Joni & I had trusted her, and had made good on our ends of the deals brokered. Amy, unfortunately, was not quite as trustworthy in our alliance. So, if not for Amy’s duplicity, there would not have been an Amy/Chris showdown in Episode 6.

However, Amy was playing hard... and while I was disappointed she had cut side deals in spite of our friendship, I don’t blame her for voting against me – after all... it was her or me on Day 18.

Lance: Lance ran his mouth when he was being spared. I’m not sure it was the smartest thing for him to do (but hey – Lance & smart don’t exactly go hand in hand... he isn’t exactly game savvy), since Amy & Hogan had both had alliances without him previously... but he’s still there and I’m sitting here shooting the breeze with you, so go figure.

Anyway, It is hard to blame Lance for anything, since his game-play bordered on retarded... so I’m not all that hung up on his vote.

BUT, the person I blame the most, was someone who I considered a friend, and had a solid deal with:

Hogan, Hogan, Hogan... Hogan was a disappointment to me in a number of ways.

First of all, he had been a total outsider at Sato, and Amy only gave him the time of day because her alliance was taken away. He was well aware of this, and pointed it to me himself. He didn’t like Matt at all... and thought Beth was “an old hag”, a snake. Hogan also knew that Amy was playing all sides, including him. Hogan had also been on the table about his lack of faith in Amy, and that he didn’t want to see her at endgame, for fear that she would win. I still cannot figure out why he thought Amy would get him further than Joni & I would. He was 4th in line, at best, in the Original Sato alliance of Amy, Beth, Matt, Lance & Hogan (and Lance was clearly more valued as a mindless vote by Amy, so Hogan was likely 5th.). And, hell – he woulda kicked my ass in a Final Vote, had we gotten there.

Second, Joni & I had been very open with him about the fact that we definitely could get Michelle, and possibly “Emma”. He could easily have let Lance know that Amy was, in fact, duplicitous and kept Lance in his pocket, as well as having a huge in at Kamiya.

Third, he really blew it with Joni. By dumping me, he was now looking at a 5/5 split at the final 10, instead of being in good with both sides. Hogan only served in alienating his Kamiya connection completely.

Fourth, and this is big for me – we had a real, true-blue deal. Hogan broke his word with me and lied to my face about his vote prior to Tribal Council. I never, EVER want to hear Hogan complain about honesty and/or duplicity in Okinawa. He is the last person who should be spouting off about it. I mean, I love ya Hogan, but no go on that one... you are no more above it than anybody else.

He knew all of the above, and still decided to turn on Joni & me. Not a smart move, and when I left the game, I didn’t expect his decision to benefit him in the long run. Anything could happen, though, so we’ll see...





QUESTION: Chris, why did you go to Lance about the vote when you had majority with just you, Joni, and Hogan?

CHRISTOPHER:
Lance was, quite frankly, a complete and utter idiot out there. He was always out of the loop, always miserable and never said anything of interest. Ummm, did I mention he was boring? To this day, a number of us cannot figure out how he was cast.

Anyway, while I wish that I could say that it was out of some sort of compassion that I opted to include Lance in the vote, it wasn’t... it’s hard to feel compassion for a lifeless husk.

Keep in mind that as far as I knew, Mich was in trouble. I didn’t know if that meant Emma had deserted her (none of us ever completely trusted her – she was way too vague), or if Mike & Ryan were onto the Angels, or what. And if she was being targeted by any one of the above... well, it meant that Joni & I were likely huge targets come merge. I felt, quite simply, that it was important for Lance to feel included in the upcoming vote, so that he would feel valued and be useful at the merge, if we needed his vote. With Hogan, Joni, Mich, Lance & myself we would have had a guaranteed block of 5... all we would’ve needed was for Emma to still be an Angel, or for Matt or Beth to defect.

Seemed like a good plan at the time…unfortunately, it didn’t work in my favor.


QUESTION: Ryan and Mike are not exactly what one could call a brain trust but even THEY aren't stupid enough to give Sato an advantage. Further, without all the facts wouldn't it have been risky to assume that Michelle was in real danger... or just plain freaking out?

CHRISTOPHER: As I said before, my only knowledge was that Michelle said she was in trouble. It was truly like a one sentence whisper. Mich & I had been 100% honest with each other up until the whisper, and there was no reason for me to doubt the validity of her fear.

Now, I know that in the game of Survivor, one is supposed to play for themselves, and I am sure that some would suggest that I should’ve just let her go. But that just isn’t me. As bitchy and evil as I may come off... like Jerri, I am 100% loyal to those I pledge my loyalty to... and it is one of the things I pride myself on. It makes me a complex player – vicious…yes; fun…yes; but also steadfastly loyal, and don’t you forget it.

Finally, while you guys get to see what was going on at Camp Kamiya – I had absolutely NO idea. I knew that they hadn’t thrown the first challenge as promised, and I also knew that it was a snake pit. I didn’t trust Ryan at all, and Mike had always been ruled more by his emotions than his logic. After Dani-Gate, it was clear to me that anything could happen in Okinawa, and I didn’t want to take a chance on losing one of my two trusted allies in the game. No way, no how.




QUESTION: Wouldn't common sense (and experience) say that there was a greater chance of Kamiya sticking together and keep the number advantage?

CHRISTOPHER: Well... you kinda seem to forget who you are talking to…

I managed to convince a tribe to give up their numeric superiority and eat one of their own post-switch. Who was I to assume that Beth and Matt couldn’t wield the same power?

Additionally, as I touched on lightly, nobody was really sure what to make of Emma. I mean, sure, she was in our alliance, but Joni & I were well aware that she had always seemed... a little unstable. It simply wouldn’t have surprised us if Mike & Ryan had “somehow” found out the truth about the Angels, and decided to off Mich while still maintaining a 3/2 advantage over the Sato’s.

Bottom line - Kamiya was so volatile that anything was possible.




QUESTION: Having thrown a challenge and had it bite you in the ass, if you were to play Survivor again, would you refuse/resist if your tribe wanted to throw an immunity challenge, or are there still circumstances in which you think it would be safe?

CHRISTOPHER: I never say never. There is always a time and a place for everything.

Granted, I would be wary, because only Immunity means you are safe from the vote (as I learned!)…but, if there was a convincing argument, it would be a possibility. I am a team player.





QUESTION: Of all the Okinawans, who are you on best and worst terms with now?

CHRISTOPHER: Ooooooooh boy…

This is kinda hard, because as you will likely find out during the Okinawa Reunion, there has been quite a bit of post-game drama. So, part of me wants to simply address who I mended fences with immediately post-game, and who I washed my hands of at that time…

...but, unfortunately, it wasn’t that simple. Once the episodes started airing, there was a whole new batch of dramas, and new and old rivalries reared their heads. It really got ugly, and a good portion of the cast was involved at one point or another.

But, if you want a little dirt... I’m happy to give it up. *evil grin*

From the time I was ousted, until a few weeks after the finale, I mended fences with a number of people, except Lance (who I just never really gave a fuck about). I also didn’t have much contact with Mike, Ryan or Isabella simply because we just didn’t have much to talk about post-game. Bella had been an imposter, and while Mike & Ryan & I had a “game respect” for each other, we simply hadn’t gotten to know each other well enough in game to follow that up.

Of my former tribemates, Murtz and I quickly became the best of friends, spending hours each day talking about life. We had an awesome time in the Lodge together. Michelle, Joni and I reconnected post-game and have remained close, and I adore them. Hogan and I have always been cool, in spite of his betrayal. Henry & I also spent a fair amount of time trying to put the game behind us, and to get to know each other as people, not players. Amy & I also reconnected. And, surprisingly, upon my ouster, Danielle approached me to let me know that she was sorry that she hadn’t believed me & Mich... and that she had been rooting for the Angels to stomp on the Boys Club. We ended becoming friendly, which was a huge & welcome surprise.

Of the Satos, I got to know a few of them who I had never met in game, including Liz, Mc D & Beth, and we all became reasonably close. Liz may not have had the chance to be the “sweetheart” in the game, but she sure filled that role at the Lodge! Mc D and I became confidantes of sorts, and when I finally got to meet Beth post-game– we had a lot of fun talking Survivor.

Then the episodes started airing... and the drama started. Some people were pissed off about the game –the episodes just seemed to bring back all of the anger, hurt & bitterness that had been left behind weeks earlier. On top of that…there was a lot of judgment being hurled back and forth about who played the game nicely and who didn’t... people in glass houses casting stones, basically. In addition, people were making judgment about situations they hadn’t been part of, so it was all a bit disappointing. Finally, some weird interpersonal dramas developed, that were uncomfortable to watch unfold. And no, not all of them involved me, but ugh...it was all just so unnecessary.

At a certain point, I was like – get me the fuck outta here, so I changed my email & AIM info, and only stayed in touch with a few of my former castaways. While the drama was fun in the game…I really don’t need it in my day-to-day life, and I don’t like watching it happen to other people either, so…buh-bye!

So, currently, I still talk to a handful of people, including Michelle, Joni, Hogan and Liz. I’ve also recently had the opportunity to talk to Mike more, and it’s been really nice. I wish we had connected a little better in the game. I like him a lot. I am in minor contact with a few others... but, ultimately, the game is behind me.



QUESTION: Do you regret any of your private (or public!) comments about the other players, especially now that the episodes have aired? In particular, once a particularly biting comment from your confessionals was exposed, did you have to do 'damage control' with anyone that you had developed a post-game friendship with?

CHRISTOPHER: Not one bit. And why should I?

If you read the website bio’s and essays, I think mine is the most on target. I told Mario & Anna exactly who I would be if they cast me, and I came through 100%. I promised them a Jerri/Kelly G./Sarah/Shii Ann mix, and I am confident that I delivered. And a huge part of that promise, was for me to be honest in my confessionals. I truly did not care how I looked post-game – if someone annoyed me, I told the producers right then and there. Conversely, if I loved someone, you can bet I sang their praises. My confessionals were among the most honest in the game. Were people touched by my affection for them? Definitely. Did my confessionals hurt feelings? Probably. Does that mean they were untrue or unfounded? Not necessarily…

That said, there were really only a few people who I trashed.

*Amy, who I was very angry at once I realized that she was disloyal.

*Danielle, who turned against Mich & I when we tried to save her.

*Henry, who was so deluded that I can only guess that he was on psychotropic drugs during his stay on the island.

*Lance, who was so lame that if I hadn’t made fun of him…nobody would’ve mentioned him at all. He should thank me!

*Murtz, who was soooooooo incredibly annoying on the island that every castaway who came in contact with him seems to have had negative confessionals about him.

One of the things that I hope the viewer realizes is that a number of us had our game faces on. And, while some of those game faces were almost saccharinely sweet…and others were villainous - that doesn’t represent who we are or how we treat people in real life.

This was a game, and I chose to play hard and mercilessly. If someone doesn’t like me because of it…that’s more their problem than it is mine. If they want to come talk to me, and find out why I said what I said, or why I felt the way I did, I am more than happy to talk about it. Seriously – I’ve never had a problem apologizing to someone if I said or did something that was hurtful (for example, Dani received apologies from me post-game). But, if they want to whine and gripe behind my back…I don’t give a rat’s ass. I mean, please, folks – this is Survivor, not Jenga.




QUESTION: You vowed never to speak to Amy again in your life. How is that going?

CHRISTOPHER: Ooooh. Here we go again.

Amy is a hard one for me... because, along with Joni & Michelle, Amy was one of the closest people to me in the game. I will probably mention this again, but keep in mind that Okinawa days were 2 –3 days in real time, and some of us were online upwards of 8 hours a day (some closer to 20). I was in the game for 18 Okinawan days, which roughly works out to about 40 real days. Amy was there for most of them, and we actually helped talk each other through some very trying “real life” issues that happened to rear their heads during the game.

Amy & I had both acknowledged that we feared each other at endgame... but our friendship had built a strong tribe, and a solid alliance. I had every intention of integrating Amy & Hogan into the Angels, even potentially bumping Emma before them, as Joni & I never really knew what to make of Emma. I believed that Amy had the same intentions, and was sorely disappointed to find out otherwise. I truly thought our friendship had transcended the game by that point, and that we were on the same page, in terms of trying to find a way to take the other as far as we could. Her lies not only disappointed me in the game sense... they hurt me on a personal level.

Post-game, Amy was interested in rekindling our friendship, and we tried…with kind of a medium amount of success. We did start talking again, but I guess once trust is shattered with me... it is really hard to get it back. Things just weren’t the same.

On top of that... Amy was one of the players involved in some of the post-game drama, so unfortunately, she was one of the people I cut everyday ties with.

That said, we still speak on occasion, and I do have warm feelings for her. I wish Amy, Alex and Brandon (they are SO cute – y’all have NO idea!) the best, and my anger during my Voting Speech was just that – Voting Speech anger. It wasn’t permanent, and I knew that we would speak again at some point. Amy is a good person, and I wish her tons of happy days.





QUESTION: Is Lance really as stubborn, self righteous, and boring as he appears?

CHRISTOPHER: Lance is absolutely one of the lamest people I have ever had the misfortune of meeting.

Lance was very much the love-child of Frank from Africa and Lil from Pear Islands: whiny, self-involved, self-pitying, stubborn, out of the loop, amazingly poor social skills…a deluded, hangdog martyr with a victim complex.

Honestly, I feel bad wasting your time by writing about him – bottom line; he was a waste of space, and deserves no more of your time or mine.





QUESTION: If Amy hadn't left on the reward, do you think the vote would of been different? Would you have tried to call out Amy if she was still back at camp?

CHRISTOPHER: Very interesting question. And, frankly, the what-if’s are kinda hard for me…

See, I just don’t know if Hogan would’ve told me about the Amy deceptions if Amy was still at camp. Remember that every Okinawan day was really 2 or 3 real days…so Hogan, Joni & I had a lot of alone time while Amy was gone…so I think that is what prompted him to fess up.

Anyway, Joni & I would’ve been targeting Lance, and frankly – it may have flown. While both Hogan & Amy had uses for him, they also recognized that two allies were better than one at the merge…so barring the BBQ Drama, maybe we would’ve stuck together. Who knows? I sure don’t.

If he had still told me, though, I probably would not have called her out. And the likelihood of me telling Lance would have been lower, so perhaps Amy would’ve gone after all…in that particular instance. Regardless, I wasn’t much for that – I preferred to smear someone’s reputation rather than have a blowout. Blowouts rarely do one well in the game of Survivor…although somehow Sandra made a career of ‘em!




QUESTION: Chris, did you ever wind up coming out to anyone in the game besides the Angels? And, a related question: do you think the early game initial alliance formation would have turned out differently if you and Mike had each known the other was gay?

CHRISTOPHER: Yeah…the list (in order of coming out): Michelle, Emma, Murtz, Amy. For some reason I think Ryan, too, right before I got switched, but I’m not sure.

Also, Joni likely knew, but I didn’t discuss it with her. Early on, I decided to keep my sexuality and wild ways private from Joni & Hogan because I did not feel that it was my place to sway their ideas about sexuality or even politics without their parents’ knowledge…parents who were entrusting us to play in a game with their children over the internet. So, even if I didn’t agree with their upbringings or religion, I felt it was important for me to respect their parents’ values.

Ah, Mike…Poor Mike – he was so mis-labelled during the early days of Kamiya. With the help of Murtz & Ryan, Mich and I were convinced he was an ogre…and we were certain that he was sexist, homophobic and right wing! It’s kind of a riot now, looking back on it.

But, yeah, had I known Mike’s secret, I definitely would’ve looked at his actions differently. It would’ve explained why he was so standoffish, and hard to read in the beginning. As I said earlier, Mike and I have had the opportunity to chat post-game, and he is a great guy…not at all like I perceived him to be in the game.

And OF COURSE! I definitely wish we had connected in the game. For one thing, I might not have been shuttled over to Sato, which would have put me in no danger. By all rights, I should have been dead upon the switch (keep in mind I was drafted specifically to be voted off), but one of my greatest game accomplishments is turning Henry’s plan around on him. However, had Mike kept me, I surely would’ve had an easier path to the merge. As far as the intial alliance of 5? I don’t think Michelle or I would’ve stuck with it, whether Mike was gay or not. Ryan was WAY too evil (something I picked up on very early), and Murtz just plain drove us nuts. However, I think she & I would’ve happily taken him in with the Angels (which was actually discussed pre-DaniGate).




QUESTION: When did you find out Emma's true identity and how did you feel at that point that one of the Angels was false?

CHRISTOPHER: Well, I cannot disclose when, as that might constitute a game “spoiler”.

But, in general, more than one castaway has joked that they liked Emma, her fake personality, a hell of a lot more. Heh heh.

While Isabella was one of my favorite characters in the Tonga recaps... let’s just say that she is much more interesting as a character. In person, she is just... ummm... very robotic. You start to wonder if Isabella has any emotions, or if she simply subsists on a diet of condescension, superiority and disdain.


QUESTION: Had Amy been voted out, what were your plans post merge?

CHRISTOPHER: Well, that would’ve left the following folks in the game…

Kamiya: Mike, Ryan, Michelle, Emma, Beth, Matt
Sato: Christopher, Joni, Hogan, Lance

10. Matt - If the Angel’s were intact, Joni & I planned to falsely reunite with Kamiya. We wanted to vote Lance or Matt first (if Lance was more useful and trusting, he would’ve been kept), in order to falsely lull Ryan into a sense of security. Hogan also knew about this, and really didn’t like Matt, so this was acceptable to him.

9. Beth – This could’ve changed, depending on how we gelled with her…but to be safe – she was the next target.

8. Ryan – Joni & I simply did not trust him. Ever.

7. Lance – this would’ve been a far better placement than Lance ever deserved.

Final 6: Hogan, Emma, Mike, Michelle, Joni & Christopher

Hogan, Mich, Joni & I would’ve been so tight, I think we would’ve been a virtually unstoppable Final 4.




QUESTION: Chris...Do you think there was any other way to place the blame on Dani? Michelle and you trashed her pretty bad, couldn't you come up with a different solution to the problem?

CHRISTOPHER: Nobody will ever understand Dani-Gate in the way that Michelle & I do.

Dani was on the chopping block. She had been ridiculed since Day One. Both strategically, and yes – personally, we decided to tell her what was up. Primarily strategic, but honestly – we were sick of it. It was boring…but if you wanted to be in “The 5” (Murtz, Ryan, Mike, Mich & Chris), you had to bash Dani. If you didn’t…Murtz questioned your loyalty to the group…and it was trouble in paradise. An interesting subplot left out of the early episodes is that Mike was almost kicked out of “The 5” for being too nice to Dani and replaced with Emma.

Anyway, I went to her, and told her everything straight up – no lies, all truth. Dani & I got along well enough, and I guess she accepted me at face value. One of my best attributes in Okinawa was my people skills, and that worked for me once again. Unfortunately, Michelle approached Dani later, and I will let Dani explain why…but Dani didn’t like her approach and ran to the Boys Club – the very people who had been after her.

Well – this was huge. A shock, a betrayal, and big f-ing trouble for Mich, Joni, Emma & I. We were facing a 4/4 tie…and there was NO way we could let that happen. Especially because we still were not 100% solid on Emma. There was just something about her, even early on – she seemed wishy-washy, and capable of flipping to avoid a tie.

So, Mich & I immediately went to work undermining Dani’s credibility…and without going into too many specifics, my people skills worked once again. I managed to convince the boys that not only had Dani lied, but that she had implicated each of them to me, and that I was certain that THEY were the ones who had aligned with the clueless Emma and the pitiful Joni. Meanwhile Emma & Joni both played their roles beautifully – they played dumb – which clearly, neither of them is. Anyway, we were able to turn it around, but – you never know in Survivor…

Meanwhile, Dani had privately approached everyone except Michelle and myself pre-TC, in hopes of blindsiding me, and taking me out of the game. Joni & Emma warned us…but, still – we had to make sure that the boys did not go with Dani…

So, at Tribal Council, we really felt we only had one choice – to appeal to Murtz’s sadistic side. We knew that if we got riled up & angry, and said terrible things…he would be much more likely to vote with us. We did not want him questioning for one second that we felt betrayed and lied about. Not to mention that I actually was pissed off that we had tried to save her neck and she turned around and tried to get everyone to vote ME out! So it wasn’t hard to feign the anger.

It was an ugly TC…but there really wasn’t much else we could do. We were scared, and we knew how Murtz operated. Bottom line – we had to convince him, Ryan & Mike that we were outraged at Dani for falsely implicating us. If we’d been sweet or nice about it…it would not have flown. Not with those guys.




QUESTION: What is the one thing that hasn't been shown in the story you want the readers to know.

CHRISTOPHER: 1. I actually got along with almost everybody. If I didn’t like somebody, they didn’t know it. As bitchy as my confessionals were, I was a social butterfly – probably the most popular male on both tribes, while I was still in the game. So, make no mistakes, I may have sounded off in confessionals, but I never let it shine through in my day-to-day camp life. I was a smart little castaway about that kind of thing.

2. Before Murtz knew I was gay, I managed to get him to bathe with me…to “poke fun at Heidi & Jenna”. I dunno why he fell for it, but I told him that two straight guys getting it on would be a good way to poke fun at the public’s love of two hot girls getting it on. Anyway, we soaped each other up, got all sexy, and had a good time. The responses from our tribe mates were pretty funny. (author's note: This scene was cut to keep our PG-13 rating)

3. Michelle and I played a terrible prank on Murtz. He had made a F3 deal with she & Ryan (which of course she told me about). So, Mich “mistakenly” mentioned it in front of me when the three of us were doing chores. Well, you can imagine that Murtz just about died. The poor guy went nutso – super paranoid and scared out of his mind. He immediately offered me a F3 with him & Michelle, and promised to bump Ryan. I played all hurt, and despondent…while he spent the next 24 hours trying to console me. Then offered me a F3 with him & Ryan behind Michelle’s back…and all of this on top of his F3 with Mike & Ryan, which Mich & I knew about (I swear Murtz had like 10 F3 deals…which was one of the reasons I wanted him out pre-merge – I couldn’t trust him). Anyway, Mich and I had a blast with this one, even though it probably wasn’t so good for Murtz’s heart.

As a side note, this was actually when Murtz called Michelle “stupid” and a “bitch”. Although editing made it look like I falsified that information…I simply massaged it into one phrase “he called you a stupid bitch”.

4. I had a phenomenal time playing the game. My list of shout outs:

My love to Michelle & Joni for always being there for me. I love you guys – and will always be an Angel. It was an honor and a pleasure playing with the two of you. I expect to know both of you for quite a long time. Big hugs, and kick some ass for me!

Hogan & Liz for being two of the coolest young folks (along with Miss Joni, of course) I’ve had the opportunity to meet. I have the utmost respect for both of them, and look forward to see what they do with their lives.

Murtz, for being a damn good friend while it lasted. Things change, but I do appreciate the time we had together. Great laughs, good times.

And finally…Mario, for giving me a chance to play. I love your stories & columns, and the opportunity to be a part of one was an honor. He has been a great Dad to us, and I still have a great time shooting the shit with Big Daddy Lanza. It’s also been a pleasure to get to know Diana a little bit. She is every bit as lovely as you are. Also, I won’t lie… Mario has said some really amazing things about me, and I love the attention he gave to my character. It means more than I ever would have expected…coming from somebody who I respect a great deal. Thank you.




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